"comme si elle était dans votre main"

Ma question porte sur les cartes permettant de jouer d'autres cartes comme si elles étaient dans notre main. Par exemple :

Textes Oracle

Ice Cauldron
4
Artifact
X, T: Put a charge counter on Ice Cauldron and remove a nonland card in your hand from the game. You may play that card as though it were in your hand. Note the type and amount of mana used to pay this activation cost. Play this ability only if there are no charge counters on Ice Cauldron.
T, Remove a charge counter from Ice Cauldron: Add to your mana pool mana of the type and amount last used to put a charge counter on Ice Cauldron. Spend this mana only to play the last card removed from the game with Ice Cauldron.

Mind's Desire (restricted in Vintage)
4UU
Sorcery
Shuffle your library. Then remove the top card of your library from the game. Until end of turn, you may play it as though it were in your hand without paying its mana cost. (If it has X in its mana cost, X is 0.)
Storm (When you play this spell, copy it for each spell played before it this turn.)

Ma question est donc. Une carte jouée à l'aide d'une de celle-ci a-t-elle été jouée depuis la main ?
Phage jouée à l'aide Mind's Desire nous fait elle perdre la partie ?
Un Myojin retiré préalablement de la partie avec l'ice cauldron reçoit t'il son marqueur s'il est joué ?

Je pose cette question car j'ai vu les deux réponses utilisées
Merci de m'éclaircir

P.S.

Comprules

"As though"
Text that states a player or card may do something "as though" some condition were true applies only to the stated action. For purposes of that action, treat the game exactly as if the stated condition is true. For all other purposes, treat the game normally.
Example: Giant Spider reads, "Giant Spider may block as though it had flying." You may treat the Spider as a creature with flying, but only for the purpose of declaring blockers. This allows Giant Spider to block a creature with flying (and creatures that "can't be blocked except by creatures with flying"), assuming no other blocking restrictions apply. For example, Giant Spider can't normally block a creature with both flying and shadow.
Example: Future Sight reads, "Play with the top card of your library revealed. / You may play the top card of your library as though it were in your hand." The revealed card may be played by the usual rules. If it's a spell, it's placed on the stack as the first step of playing it (see rule 409, "Playing Spells and Activated Abilities"); if it's a land, it's put directly into play. Because the card isn't actually in your hand, it can't be discarded, removed from the game to pay a cost, cycled, or counted toward the number of cards in your hand.
If two cards state that a player or card may do the same thing "as though" different conditions were true, both conditions could apply. If one "as though" effect satisfies the requirements for another "as though" effect, then both effects will apply.
Example: Two effects read, "You may play cards in your graveyard as though they were in your hand," and "You may play cards from other players' graveyards as though they were in your graveyard." Both effects apply. You may play cards in your graveyard and cards in your opponents' graveyards. (The cards may be played by the usual rules.)

Après réflexion sur cette règle, je pense que la carte n'est pas considerée comme jouée depuis la main. En effet, ça dit clairement que le condition ("elle est dans votre main") n'est considerée comme vrai que lorsque l'on fait l'action ("jouer cette carte"). Lorsque l'on vérifie si la carte a été jouée depuis la main, on ne fait pas l'action. La condition n'est donc pas considerée comme vraie.

Je suis toutefois pas sûr de moi

[ Edité par Archey Le 01 mar 2005 ]

ben tu as trouvé la réponse tout seul.
en effet, bienque ce soit marqué "comme si elle etait dans votre main" , elle n'est pas jouée depuis la main.

Merci quand même !